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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

This is very frightening. The web is awash in rumors.

For the record, I adore Bob Weir and I just hope he is all right.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Jul 29, 2010 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Me too -- he's a treasure. I really hope he is okay.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

He really seems to take the brunt of it when people want to vent. From what I am reading, he was truly sick last night.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Can you point me towards some of those rumours please?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

http://www.philzone.com/

People keep saying how could Bob not be able to sing El Paso, especially with teleprompters. Hello, he is dyslexic and teleprompters were probably never any help. *Obviously* if Bob cannot sing El Paso something is wrong. He apparently tried three times and then they stopped the song abruptly.

Just hoping it was something short-lived, it was something he ate or he was running a fever. Of course some people want Bob Weir crucified for any mistake.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

man, this is terrible news. they guy is one of my all-time heroes, musically and as a person. i seriously hope he's all right, and if he's not that he'll find his way out of it, and soon.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

What complete nonsense all this is. Is the man not allowed an off day now and then? We're always going to be afflicted by know-nothing pricks who get off on pretending they've got the inside track by making totally unsubstantiated innuendos. Bob rubbed his face in a downward manner- he's on oxy! I rub my face in a downward manner when I'm tired and I wouldn't know oxy if you smacked me on the back of the head with it. Fuck off, frankly. And as far as that idiot goes who was 'watching out for Phil getting angry with Bob' (seriously WTF? does he know nothing about these guys?) I'd be happy to administer a good hard kick to his backside. I like Bob. I don't like vultures.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Rumors of an ' off ' night , and Rumors of BW .
Not enough information to make a statement , so why ? ( b/c it's BW ? )
With the information supplied , would you want someone to make a judgment about you ?
I read the thread , weak soup , potato peelings and mushy carrot stumps .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

"weak soup , potato peelings and mushy carrot stumps"
Don't trash 90's era GD!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Era abuse ! Era abuse !

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

First of all, in regarding the show , I haven't heard it , and the man could have been ill, with no connection to his "problems".
One rumor I have head , from ( friend>friend>Ratdog members ) , he goes trough radical mood swings , of firing people, then "rehiring" them; or the like . I am sure others have more definite scuttlebutt , so I should be a little careful,
But the alcohol rumors have been out there for a while . But then, there are still people who think Zappa "ate shit onstage" , so while I suspect the rumors are not groundless ( in this case), I wouldn't put a ton of money on it .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

The pieces on youtube are quite disturbing.
It does not look like he "can't remember the words," we're used to that, it looks like he is not sure what he is supposed to be doing up there. He is either ill or *very* messed up on something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5nk1K0gTRE

Warning: this is hard to watch.

It wasn't like this in Phila. 3 weeks ago.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

I must be missing something.
The view is from so far away that you can hardly tell what anyone is doing. I'm not seeing any erratic behavior or any outright weirdness. He forgot some lyrics, but that is nothing out of the ordinary. Hell, I'd be more concerned if he didn't blow any lyrics..... The conspiracy theorist in me would have to believe we had ourselves another "Paul is dead" situation going on. LOL

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Well, I see it. Just compare him to any of the other figures on the stage - they all appear to be aware that this is a rock concert and they are playing in the band. Bob's whole demeanor is wrong and un-Boblike. Not the whole time, but for long moments, disconcertingly so.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 29, 2010 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

i have to agree with WT and rob, I don't really see anything particularly upsetting from this video. Bob is always a space cadet when it comes to words, and the 2' to 3:30 part you mentioned is essentially a cappella (sp?) anyway. Sure, he's having an off night, but at least from that video it didn't seem so bad. From what I hear, that was not at all the worst of it, though. I guess I'll have to wait and see if there's a video of the apparently abysmal el paso - i'll compare it to the version from the eighties when Otis his dog died. :(

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 5:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Actually, I just struggled thru it again (har, again, no sound so I'd focus on the body language) and I'd actually say, unless DD and RingleeO are right about him NOT doing this usually (I haven't seem him live in yrs), he seems relatively engaged if you take the arm waving and stopping to sing with hands on instrument as the classic posture of many older stars that realize their playing isn't so vital anymore, and they sort of sing along, lead along the fans...? Really...I've seen him many times look so intense, he couldn't pause to look at bandmates, or maybe he was on something and had to concentrate hard, or whatever, but the bottom line for me is I don't see too much different from at least some prior looks at Bob playing in band...

Recall a while back everyone was saying how Bob didn't look happy playing and Phil did? This one seems just another manifestation of that, but with a little handwaving and such to almost make you think he was more engaged...?

Sorry, maybe just muddling matters...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

None of you have looked at the El Paso video, right?

Sorry but while y'all have hundreds of shows on me from the earlier years, I on the other hand saw Bob Weir a couple of weeks ago, and this is *not* what was going on.

Let's just hope he's playing right now, and whatever it was, passed.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 9:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Did finally, and defn see what you mean on that, but still think there is just some "good old Bob, forgetful, oddball, intense looking, downright strange" behavior that is worse with age coming thru there...don't get me wrong, I think he's got abuse issues too.

But, as you say, you've seen him lately, so you can make this call, not me. I just have always thought he was odd, and when I saw him with Ratdog, he was somewhat like this; to the point I walked out...ignoring band members, talking not singing; forgeting lyrics; stopping songs...again, maybe I am just adding up a handful of "bad nights" to bash the poor guy, but I really think he should quit playing given what I last saw and paid for...but I think that about 75% of the geezer circuit, so I am a cranky old bastard that should STFU, I am sure many would say...

Right?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 30, 2010 4:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Reports from last night are that Bob was firing on all cylinders again.

Will catch up with all you cranky bastards shortly :) gotta work.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

I can offer, I think, a fresh and completely objective assessment, and consider this a nonDEAD post as well...I have to join those that say "I dunno what anyone is seeing" as I see his "hand in the air" addressing band members and fans as just the sort of thing Bob does these days...I saw him act like this with Ratdog yrs ago (I watched it with the sound off, on a lg screen, so know nothing about the sound, other than I don't like it...sorry, just judging him physically). Not playing, while singing, but still, moving, and not wiping his face that much...again, these are behaviors I've noted in him the last decade...maybe I've been looking for them as signs of what I don't like about him, but for what my meager two cents is worth, 1) I don't see much of a change, and 2) he seems engaged as he ever is...?

Very small sample size for me though, maybe five visuals in the past ten yrs of Bob, incl one live Ratdog and some youtube like this one...

I wouldn't be surprised about all the other stuff being true, though it's the usual paradox with him (smoking while eating right; exercising while doing coke; etc., etc., etc.).

EDIT: what is much more disturbing is how pathetically I spell and it is a credit to you all that you made any sense of this post! I think I have a bigger problem than Bob...oh...right, this is how I always post!

Damn...



And, RingleeO, having now seen ElPaso, I think you are right about there being some wrong with that one...so perhaps I gave him far too much benefit of the doubt for the SDStreet...

This post was modified by William Tell on 2010-07-30 01:27:34

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 5:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Hey, Tell, I think maybe Bob was just a little tired and cranky and wondering what the hell he was doing it all for. I think maybe he's been thinking that off and on for a while now.

And, boy, do I know how he feels.



(edited for stupid latenight grammatical idiocy - disclaimer: other idiocies may apply)

This post was modified by robthewordsmith on 2010-07-30 00:48:53

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

I shouldn't even be involved, as I really don't know what he looks like except what I read here, and it appears to concern veins and not smiling...besides, I am getting dangerously close to a DEAD related post, eh?

But, I may be walking the only line of not even thinking anything's wrong on this one tune; ie, he might even be having a good time with all that hand waving and deciding "why play?" since it's not like he stops playing and sits down...he still seems involved in the song to me, and he never smiles anyhow, right? I couldn't magnify it enough to see any veins though.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

D. I'm not really seeing it either. Bob's perfectly aware of where he is - who is it who's signalling the changes? Yes. Bob. OK so he apparently zoned out on the words once but hell, I can give him eight years and I blank on my phone number sometimes. If I read tomorrow that he was found dead in his hotel room I'll have to eat my words (and I will) but right now I think an awful lot is being made out of very little. Time for the vultures to go home hungry.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jul 29, 2010 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Phil is signaling the changes when he steps up to the mic and talks into their ear monitors. Bobby used to lead the jam during the GD days, but now it's obviously Phil running the show.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Seriously, you're saying this based on what? Bob's just waving his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing is he? And he was the one leading the jams in the Grateful Dead was he? To repeat: you're saying this based on what?

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jul 29, 2010 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Based on an interview Jerry gave.


Have you been to a Furthur show? I've been to 11 so far. I know what goes on onstage.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Reference for that interview if you will.

No, I have not been to a Furthur show; they don't come to my part of the planet. And just being in the audience a few times doesn't necessarily lend you insight into the onstage dynamic. You actually didn't answer my question. For the sake of argument, and only for the sake of argument, let's say you were right and Phil is bandleader. Now you'd have to assume, wouldn't you, that Bob would know this. So what's he doing? Directing traffic? Swatting flies? Waving to his bank manager?

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Poster: vapors Date: Jul 29, 2010 5:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Maybe he's trying to snatch the lyrics out of the air?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 5:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

You mean some mischievous stagehand hoisted his autocue into the flies?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Ring , I just did not see it . From 2' to 3:30' he is lost . I have never seen him stop playing for that long , ever .( Unless fiddling with his equipment . ) 5' is not another pretty moment . He hits most of the chords in BEW , the words ....

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

ouch!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX0BX7XHcwM

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

OK, the El Paso is sad...still not sure what to make of what he's doing, but it defn looks bad...I just can't judge how much worse it is than the Ratdog concert I walked out of a few yrs back.

The one thing I will say, now that I can see his "outfit" is that is the most pathetic thing about it all.

If anyone I'd ever tried to convince of the worth of the DEAD sees this, they will so have the goods on me as to just how far they've fallen (sorry to one and all that still has a good time going to these "shows" but truly...) I'll never live it down.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 30, 2010 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

Dude, trust me when I say this: that video is an absolute abomination compared to what the band is capable of. I'm a pretty unbiased music listener, even when I'm actually at the concert, but what they did on 7/10 was extremely fresh and exciting. This is obviously lame, don't be too down on Furthur as a band just because of this atrocious mess.

However, as I said, I don't think Weir was dosed or smashed, that's pretty ludicrous. The main problem here is just low energy, and as a musician I know that will kill your momentum - enough to destroy your ability to think and remember what it is you're playing, and where you are in the music. The guy may be having issues, but I don't think there was anything seriously wrong with him in the moment (perhaps these things had an indirect influence on his performance, but it's not like he was stumbling around drunk).

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 30, 2010 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

"that video is an absolute abomination compared to what the band is capable of. I'm a pretty unbiased music listener, even when I'm actually at the concert, but what they did on 7/10 was extremely fresh and exciting. "

Yes (well, I saw 7/11 not 7/10 but can say the same).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 30, 2010 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

Then like Ring, you are much better able to judge than me; thanks for the feedback...it is hard to tease apart (as evidenced in all the different takes above), and though I accept he may be abusing stuff, putting it all together, I am inclined to agree with you that you can't be absolutely certain of what applies in this one show (took me a minute to realize both songs I watched were the same show the camera work was so poor)...and given enough people have voiced as you have that they have seen him on "good nights" lately, this one can just be dismissed as on off night til more evidence comes to light.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 29, 2010 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

I think without the sound you won't have gotten the picture. He couldn't play it. After about 10 minutes he says, "ok I'm going to start over" and the crowd cheers. He never gets past the first line. He is completely out of it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 29, 2010 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

Unfortunately, I did listen to this one...but you know, I still have such a negative view of him from my limited interactions of late...since you saw him recently, you are much better positioned to judge how bad this was, and it was bad. I guess I am just inclined to still imagine he's capable of looking this odd while not stoned, or sick, as strange as that sounds. And bizarrely, I am also convinced he has a number of substance abuse issues incl smoking and drinking, both well documented.

So, mark me down as idoitic for not necessarily saying what we see here is new or different, or indicative of him having a problem causing this behavior; I think he has two major problems: substance abuse, and an odd personality made worse by age and his original forgetfulness.

Not very charitable, I know...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 30, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob as Robinson ClueSo

I don't think we really disagree ... yeah, some combination of aging and maybe or maybe not taking some other substances that he can't handle as well as he once did, combined with just being Bob. No argument he was always an oddball.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Jul 29, 2010 2:02pm
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Kind of like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Oh well, everyone has an off night, no biggie.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 29, 2010 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Yeah you're right, it made me feel nauseous. The camera work was fucking all over the place.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 2, 2010 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

I'm much more concerned about the choice of trousers - neither shorts nor pants . . . what's he thinking?

Everyone is allowed an off night. I could not even get off the couch yesterday, flu? Allergies? bad cold? I don't even know but I had zero energy and felt like I was run over by a garbage truck.

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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 2, 2010 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

I hope you were merely recuperating from a hot night out with the girls. How were the Rads? Last night me and some buddies from work went to Hampton Beach (NH) and raved to Umphrey’s McGee. My legs are mighty sore this morning, but my spirits are flying!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 3, 2010 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

The Radiators were great. My 14 year old made me buy her one of their CD's and my 17 year old got a T-Shirt. Then we ran into Dave, Ed & Reggie and my 14 yr old got her new CD autographed and my 17 yr old got her ticket stub autographed . . . pretty cool.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 29, 2010 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dead 3/31/73

Quick! Cleanse your El Paso palette with this gem.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-03-31.sbd.bertha-ashley.31604.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: jmb1 Date: Jul 29, 2010 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

its all here....

http://www.philzone.org/discus/messages/459920/553874.html?128040826

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

Bobby and Phil have been touring for 45 years on an almost daily basis. It's really off the charts. From watching the video, it looks like Bobby is exhausted.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 29, 2010 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur 7/28/10

You also have to wonder at that age whether these guys are having to take various medications that may interact adversely with other meds (prescribed or not).

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